(Please note: the "rickross.com" URL for many of these links is obsolete. The same info can now be found at its new address, the "culteducation.com" forum)
Below is a statement pasted from the Jesus Christians' site that was also posted in the Croft family's Hate Site at xjcs.org. (references to http://xjcs.org replace the word "here" that referred to the xjcs site in the original posting by David McKay and I have also included the full names for accuracy.) Note: the Croft hate site made an unauthorized and deliberately misleading use of Dave Mckay's name in its title. When I questioned McKay about that, he cited the futility of fighting endless incidents of name-theft as his reason for ignoring it. I also have been subjected to numerous incidents of name-theft by this very same lynch-mob, and I can attest to the discouraging difficulty of fighting such people.
For almost three years this site [http://xjcs.org]called itself: "Dave McKay's Jesus-Christians: Free discussion between members and ex-members, supporters and observers." It advertised itself as a place where Jesus Christians (including myself) would be welcomed for rational dialogue with others on [xjcs.org]. We Jesus Christians stayed almost entirely away from [xjcs.org], not being convinced that the "welcome" sign really meant what it said.
However, for two weeks in January, 2011, four of us (Joe, myself, and two anonymous "JCs") came over here. I came for 8 days; Joe (posting as Brad) for four days; and Charlie for five. Only Falling Leaves was here [xjcs.org] for the full two weeks and a bit.
In the final week, when all four of us were posting for at least four days, there were about 1,000 posts made here [xjcs.org] on 40 different threads, about half by ourselves and half by those who had been waiting to "welcome" us, primarily Sisi (Verity Evangelene aka Susan Smith Summers), Brian Birmingham (Bryan Apollo), and Malcolm Wrest (Methodical Wesley). The reception was anything but friendly or rational. Virtually all ex-Jesus Christians went silent, with Kevin McKay announcing that he was bowing out of [xjcs.org] before I even arrived (because he THOUGHT Falling Leaves was me).
Backing up a bit, two months earlier, in early November, 2010, the Jesus Christians as an organisation had "disbanded". I announced that the community had not had a falling out, but just that we had "graduated" to a less organisational body, with greater emphasis on spiritual unity. There were efforts by posters on both of the hate sites (this one and the Rick Ross site) to woo the recently departed into their ranks, so that they could give them some of the tender love that they presumably had been missing for so many years as Jesus Christians.
While we had been led to believe that the Rick Ross forum, dominated almost entirely by Malcolm Wrest and Brian Birmingham (as Zeuszor, Oerlikon, Apollo, and possibly Stoic) was NOT going to be a nice place to go, even posters on the RR site assured any nomadic JC "graduates" that they would be more welcome over here[xjcs.org]. Brian Birmingham had taken to spelling his name Bryan over here, and sending his posts via a proxy server in Scotland, since he had been banned from here previously. However, he and Sisi pretty much became the sole voice of the "friendly" place for JC graduates to come for sympathy and understanding.
Any readers who would like to observe what took place during those eventful days can click on the links below. But, before you click on the first one, let me explain something about "Recently Deported". Shortly after Falling Leaves arrived over here[xjcs.org], Joe tried to sign up as "Recently Departed". The administrator (Nick Croft) approved his application and said that his password had been encrypted in the data base. However, Nick Croft then broke into the data base, stole the password, changed it, and began posting as though HE was the anonymous JC graduate who had signed up to be on the site. Nick Croft later admitted to doing this, saying that he believed that Falling Leaves (who was the only JC posting at that time) was me, and he wanted to see if I would complain about what he was doing to Joe, i.e. to work out if Joe and I were in communication with one another. (There had a lot of debate over just how much unity there was between myself and other Jesus Christians, with most people here saying that I had been dumped by angry JCs.)
While pretending to be a recently departed JC, Nick Croft wrote personal messages to people... to Brian Birmingham in particular. Brian Birmingham posted one of the messages, in which Nick Croft pretended to have inside information on paedophile activity within the Jesus Christians. Nick knew that Brian has serious mental problems and that he has an obsession with proving that we are into child abuse; so he was deliberately filling this sick man's head with the worst possible gossip/slander, something that we have maintained has been happening since before this forum began.
When Nick Croft was exposed and challenged to apologise for his action, he decided to cover it instead, by changing the name on all of "Recently Departed"s posts to "Recently Deported", probably assuming that, if he changed the name, it did not constitute identity theft, even though he had to steal Joe's password in order to do it. This is certainly unethical if not illegal.
Okay, so here's one of the links, to a thread which starts with a post by "Recently Deported". You will see that Nick does such a good job of impersonating a JC graduate (as he has done in other trolling adventures) that even Brian (Bryan) was sucked in, and assumed that he was me. Note too, that every single person who responds to "Recently Deported" refers to him as "Recently Departed", since that was the original name of the account, before Nick Croft further fiddled with it.
MY PLEA FOR HELP
I had, on the JC forum, asked for genuine ex-members on this site to challenge things being said by Brian Birmingham, who was trying to say that the JCs were more or less a Christian paedophile ring. To their credit, Glenn and Anita (Blackhat) stood up to this a bit, even though they are not former Jesus Christians. But even this little bit of defense pretty well went silent over the next few days:
MY ARRIVAL ON THE SCENE
Because of the problems Joe had encountered when he had tried to register under a username, he suggested that I use his real name to register myself. Together we had assumed, from worries expressed by people here over Joe's state of health, that even Nick Croft would be pleased to have him here where they could love bomb him through what they asssumed must be a very difficult time for him personally. (Surprisingly, even when Joe did come here and reveal who he was, no one thought to enquire about his health until after we had gone! Apparently other things were more important.) Although the first post below says "Joe", it's really me. Once I got on, I requested a name change to Dave, which Nick did temporarily and then changed it back (possibly hoping to confuse people further). Nevertheless, he let me have a new account (this one) as Dave McKay. Here is my introductory thread, to give an idea of the kind of reception I received. (Franky [Hello] started out with a warm welcome, which later turned to accusations of JCs raping, sodomising, and giving oral sex to children! And she says she won't accept any explanations or denials for any of it, because she knows what she knows! With friends like that, who needs enemies?)
CALLS FOR CENSORSHIP
Almost immediately there were calls for JC graduates and/or myself to be banned. The administrator, of course, could see that this would be an admission of absolute failure in what this whole forum ostensibly stood for, i.e. dialogue. So then the hue and cry arose against anyone being allowed to produce articles written by me in relation to accusations being made against me. In true Rick Ross style, only quotes used to condemn me were favoured by these people. Anything presented in the full context of what had been said was considered "propaganda" and, as such, should not be allowed in a forum for 'free discussion'. These threads deal with that:
FINDING A WAY FORWARD
Falling Leaves, in particular, tried to start a number of threads that would steer people toward more positive topics, with more hope of moving forward. They included one where people would share their favorite Bible verses (which almost immediately became a disgusting display of brutal "sword" fighting in an effort to use the Bible to club myself and the graduates to death).
A thread aimed at getting people to make compliments (without turning them into veiled insults) had slightly more success, but it, too, was short-lived:
A thread aimed at sharing ideas on how to get along with one another attracted over 100 posts, but it too, was a spectacular flop in the end.
MALCOM'S WRITING STYLE
There was a somewhat comical thread, where Sisi instructed me to follow Malcolm's sterling example of love and patience. So I took a series of one-liners that Malcolm had, in the previous few days, addressed to myself or anyone supporting me, and I inserted Sisi's name in the sentences instead, so that it sounded like Malcolm was saying these things to her. After several lines of this, I finished by saying that I just did not feel Malcolm's style of writing was right for me. She totally missed it and went ballistic over me using sentences that had (unknowingly to her, apparently) come right from Malcolm's own epistles, thus illustrating how totally immune to the stench regular posters become here... UNLESS a criticism is made of themselves.
Charlie started a thread to reveal what Nick Croft had been doing to destroy the credibility of the entire forum, through stealing Joe's password as Recently Departed and through spreading malicious (and totally untrue) gossip in his disguise as an ex-JC. It probably set something of a record, by attracting 160 posts in three and a half days, most of them defending Nick's right to do whatever he likes with anyone's identities here. At that time, Nick Croft's avatar was Michaelangelo's famous picture of God, and it certainly did appear that Nick was being given god-like powers to break any rules he liked. This is a disturbing illustration of the classic description of a cult leader... totally unaccountable, and surrounded by yes-men.
That's about when Brian Birmingham's paedophile claims suddenly became fair game over here (even though there had been some outrage at his transparent efforts to play vigilante in matters that were grossly exaggerated earlier). Each time the story was told, it grew by about ten percent, until Franky was falsely detailing the specific actions that were happening and the numbers of people that they were happening to. And she said that if anyone offered evidence contrary to what she was saying, she would need to cite it personally before she would change her story. In the entire thread, no one thought to mention that ( a ) X is someone who totally volunteered feelings of guilt about something that had happened years before he joined the JCs, when he was a teenager (briefly touching a child inappropriately while she was sleeping and briefly touching her sister while playing with her a few days later); (b) he had reported the matter to the girls' mother, who, while upset, did not feel it necessary to inform authorities further; yet (c) X also reported it to the police himself, who, after hearing the exact details said that it did not need any further action. Yet, when we left this board, there was nothing short of hysteria being expressed on this board as they made plans to rid the world of this person.
MORE ON THE 'DISBANDING' of the JCs
There was a rather ridiculous effort by many of the posters here to argue that Charlie, Brad (Joe), and Falling Leaves were either me or a woman from Texas who has never been a JC, so much so that on Saturday, Nov. 15, 2010, the four of us emailed and chatted with one another over the Internet and decided to be quite explicit about exactly what has been happening with the Jesus Christians, although I cannot see that this will be much more explicit than it has been from the start. Perhaps when I explain some of our motivation, however, that will fill in the dots a bit better.
We had been concerned that Brian Birmingham in particular, has been obsessed for years with 'taking out' myself and the Jesus Christians by 'whatever means possible'. With help from a Quaker private investigator from Australia (David Lowe), Brian produced a dossier consisting of several hundred pages of lies and other unnecessary personal information about everyone associated with the Jesus Christians (except, of course, himself and those who helped him in preparing it). He boasted that these lies had been sent to law enforcement personnel, the media, church leaders, Immigration authorities, hospitals, welfare agencies, and others, in an attempt to defame me in particular, around the world. He knew that if he got enough people running into each other investigating the same bizarre claims, they would all start thinking that there must be some truth in it.
Anyone who showed some interest in knowing more about ourselves (Jesus Christians) would simply google Jesus Christians and/or my name, and Brian, with help from others, had been able to perfect a system that would lead these googlers to his contributions on the two hate sites. He boasted that he had been successful in steering numerous people away from us by his lies.
One of our options was legal action, but it turned out to be far too costly. So we decided to do exactly what Brian Birmingham had been hopefully prophesying for so many years: We would "implode", just disappear. Cease to be Jesus Christians.
I had retired almost two years earlier, so it would not matter if they continued to attack me, so long as the others could branch out, take on new names, create their own web sites, produce their own material (as well as using whatever material from me that they wanted, on the understanding that they were just pushing the message and not the guy who wrote it). It was as easy as that. We "disbanded", or, as I prefer to call it, we "graduated".
The naysayers, frustrated that they could not locate the former JCs, and angered that even when JC graduates turned up on their forums, they had no answers for the powerful arguments raised, decided to just ridicule me as a complete failure. Amazing, isn't it? After all these years of saying that it is all about me and my big ego, when the group moves on and Cherry and I settle into a quiet life as grey nomads, they go more berserk than ever! They laugh, ridicule, hurl abuse and just generally turn purple with rage at me because they cannot touch the graduates any more.
But here is the ironic thing. While they want me to believe that my "empire" is in ruins, it is really their empire that is in ruins. (This is true for the Rick Ross site as well, explained in the next paragraph.) What Cherry and I have sought so hard to build, first with our natural family and then through our influence on various members of the Jesus Christians, were people who are prepared to follow Jesus wherever he leads, with or without us. I believe they are doing that now more than ever. My life is a resounding success. Cherry's life is a resounding success.
But the creators of this forum set out to destroy the Jesus Christians, and now that they have achieved what it was that they set out to do, there seems to be more anger than ever. This site could change its title to something about Dave McKay (minus the JCs), at least while I'm still alive. But without the JCs, this forum (and Brian's other one as well) is dead, useless, a lot of energy with no direction in which to channel it. Because the people here built their lives on REACTING to something, when the real "actors" (the JCs) left the stage, there was nothing left for them to do except maybe go back to fighting like children with each other.
I may return to paste this or a similar message here from time to time (just to remind people that there IS a record of what I really teach and what the JCs really did over at this link:
Take your time here. Don't just skim through. Don't settle for just one negative posting about myself or the Jesus Christians. Read widely. Read claims about how we are kidnappers, how we are terrorists, about how we are killers for Christ, about how we are a paedophile ring, about how we are criminals and frauds. And take time to digest the claims about me stealing a towel, or wiggling my bottom at someone, or correcting people when they spell "a lot" as one word, about me discussing a dilemma I created when I discovered that we had only enough money for drinks for half of the people invited to a party, about one of our members taking out an AVO against someone who almost killed him, about us donating kidneys to people dying from endstage renal failure, and about some of our members having smelly feet. Get the whole picture of what is happening here. Eventually, you will start to get the idea that someone is trying just a little too hard to create a case where there is none. Where are the arrests? Where are the charges laid? Where are the convictions? And if the big libelous claims are not libel, then why do they waste time trying to create a storm over the slightest little thing? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A CASE AT ALL, that's why.
In fact, do like us and dedicate a whole week to reading (and even posting, if you like) on this forum for ten or twelve hours a day before you come and see what we really teach. I think that after a really good stiff dose of what this site has to offer, you will find that what we say is incredibly refreshing.
Dave & Cherry McKay
I am printing this here because it pretty much sums up the vicious mob's activity as it happened. I thought Dave McKay was a little too interested in "making peace" and he has never respected my position as an unwilling participant, a journalist dragged out of retirement by the same lynch-mob that was attacking his family. Dave McKay is an old-fashioned guy in a lot of ways and he occasionally played into his enemies' hands because he is of a generation that has been able to use sarcasm with wild abandon, being universally understood, but things are different online. Sometimes his sarcasm, witty as it was, backfired in the hands of determined assasins (as in, character-assasination). But I have to hand it to him, that last round of this dangerous game was played with great finesse: he caught Nick Croft out flagrantly exploiting Brian Birmingham's dangerous mental illness in order to spread those vicious false pedophile stories.
I wonder if some of the same laws that have been used to prosecute irresponsible therapists for taking advantage of their clients in sexual affairs may also be used to prosecute people like Nick Croft and Rick Alan Ross for seeking out and exploiting easily-deluded Asperger's sufferers?